2016年6月20日 星期一

[開箱] Panasonic NA-V130BDH 洗脫烘滾筒洗衣機


其實原本的三洋SW-13DV5直立式洗衣機並沒有壞

但北部的冬天,有時會連續下一整週,甚至是一整個月的雨

衣服晾再多天也不會乾

之前的方式是將半乾的衣服放在房間內用除溼機烘乾

但有了小孩後,衣服量大增,,除溼機烘乾的速度又很慢,根本來不及乾

而且每當出現這個情況的時候,通常市面上的乾衣機/除溼機/電暖器都會缺貨

所以才決定在夏天時先購入 (算是為了冬天做準備吧)



為了解決這個問題,先暫定幾個方案

  1. 直立式洗衣機+乾衣機
  2. 滾筒洗衣機+乾衣機
  3. 洗脫烘滾筒洗衣機
  4. 洗脫烘直立式洗衣機
選項1,要加購一個乾衣機架,才不會影響直立式洗衣機的使用,但成本就要增加1000~2000元

雖然一般乾衣機只要5000~7000元,但加上乾衣機架CP值就不高了

選項2,如果分開買,搭一般乾衣機,售價可能會比洗脫烘便宜一些

但如果選擇高價的瓦斯烘衣機,就會再貴上許多,總價可能會在25000~45000間

選項3,有多種可選,價格從20000元起跳

選項4,選擇少,就不考慮了


最後決定方案3,買洗脫烘滾筒洗衣機。再加幾個條件進去

  1. 價格不要超過40000元
  2. 不要韓國製或大陸製
  3. 要12公斤以上

好,答案是只有國際牌Panasonic可以選

因為惠而浦Whirlpool的WD12R/WD13R/WD15R是韓國大宇DAEWOO代工

TWFW60DW是大陸制,Whirlpool投資的陸廠,叫海信Hisense

其他國外(美國/日本/德國)進口的都超過預算

雖然TOSHIBA有一台TW-15VTT在預算內,可惜9公斤太小了,不符合需求


是的,就只有國產的Panasonic可以選

Panasonic的BDH系列(NA-V130BDH/NA-V158BDH/NA-V168BDH/NA-V178BHD)

該有的功能都有,什麼溫水洗衣,噴射水流,槽洗淨等一堆功能

說實在我一點也不在意,我只是想找一台有洗脫烘功能的洗衣機

NA-V130BHD最大的缺點就是超大一台

因為這四台的外殼是共用的,差在內筒大小及顏色

也就是我買NA-V130BHD,但外觀是跟NA-V178BHD一樣大,只是顏色不同

有錢當然是買洗衣容量越大越好,不過我家不需要用到13公斤以上

因為我之前的直立式洗衣機就是13公斤,很夠用了


廠牌及型號都決定好了

接下來要去哪邊買?

網路拍賣及實體賣場我都問過

家樂福原價40190元,送10%現金抵用卷 (好像有一些使用條件,我忘了,總之沒那麼好用)

網拍小蔡的店,現金35200元,刷卡需另加2%,沒有任何贈品

MOMO購物網,40190元,可使用2688元抵用卷,等於37500元

Panasonic有活動贈送涼被(市價大概300~400元)及7-11商品卡1000元

加上信用卡活動

  1. 分期累積滿2千元以上,享刷卡金1.5%回饋(須登錄,每歸戶回饋上限NT$1,500)
  2. 分期累積滿1萬元以上,加贈刷卡金500元
  3. 數位生活卡另享2%刷卡金回饋(上限300元)
假如我全部都有拿到的話,就是562+500+300=1362

總價37500-1362-1000=35138,涼被還沒有算進去,已經比網拍便宜,還可以刷卡分期呢

最後就在MOMO購物網購入,誰說網拍就一定比較便宜呢?


準備開箱

這是要放洗衣機的陽台,舊的三洋直立式洗衣機已經送朋友了



含外箱110公斤,所以要二個人來搬



安裝進水管中



安裝完成



水平調的不錯對吧?事實上這是我自己調的

安裝人員調的稍微偏右上角,他們說是有在黑圈內就是可接受範圍

我也沒刁難安裝人員,調水平也不用什麼特別的技術,就是耐心和細心而已

水平其實很重要,水平沒調好,滾筒洗衣機還是可以運作

但脫水的轉速可能會上不去(達不到最高轉速)

因為晃動過大時,滾筒洗衣機會降速運作,最後就是脫水脫不乾囉



看一下內槽的尺寸。事實上,這是我第一次看到實機 (我買東西還真隨便呀)

開口約40cm



深度約45cm



可以把我整個前手臂放進去 (有沒有人覺得底部長的像是6爪鋁圈呢?)



來試洗衣服吧



聽說滾筒洗衣機要用特殊的洗衣精,也就是HE高效能低泡沫洗衣機(HIGH EFFICIENCY)

事實上也還好啦,如果要用一般的濃縮洗衣精,減量使用就好了,洗衣精瓶身都會標示用量

不過我還是買了HE洗衣精,因為在Costco也沒有特別貴

我選的是右邊這罐KIRKLAND濃縮洗衣精

它跟Tide的瓶身及瓶蓋造型是一樣的,我猜應該同個代工廠吧,所以我就選了比較便宜的KIRKLAND
至於很有名的Persil洗衣精,相較之下就貴很多了



倒出洗衣精的方式是這樣

瓶身倒下放置,按下紅色按鈕就會流出洗衣精了

不會像旁邊那罐一匙靈弄的瓶口到處都是殘留的洗衣精



這是它的建議用量,我用電子秤量一下,約36g (已扣除蓋子本身重量)

一罐有5.7KG,可以用約160次,3天洗一次衣服的話,可以用超過一年

它的味道,其實我覺得蠻像熊寶貝的 (忘記是哪種口味,印象中有聞過類似的味道)



剛才那一籃衣服

用標準洗衣行程,需要40分鐘(拍的時候變成39分鐘),跟之前的直立式洗衣機差不多



偵測衣服重量後,它會給出建議的洗衣精用量,這是0.6匙的意思



倒入洗衣精



洗衣時,這個ECONAVI的燈會亮起

它會偵測衣服的髒度,調整最佳的洗衣時間 (偷偷跟你說,其實我覺得時間都差不多)



我錄了一段脫水時的機身震動情況

震動情況比想像中的大一些,但至少洗衣機本身沒有位移 (就是自己往旁邊移動)

轉速應該也有達到最高



洗完一籃衣服後,再試試洗棉被,並測試烘衣功能

裡面有二條夏天的涼被,還有一些少量衣服



需要3小時20分鐘

有點久嗎?其實還好,畢竟它不是220V或是瓦斯乾衣機,烘衣效率沒有那麼高是正常的



再錄一段影片,這次的震動有好一些



烘出來都是全乾喔,沒有帶溼氣的情況,看來這個冬天就靠你啦(拍~)

還有烘衣後,濾網要記得清理



可是好乾淨喔,我看棉絮似乎都黏在門口的橡膠墊上



接下來是洗抹布,沒聽錯,就是洗抹布

這是要測試如果只有一點點衣服,會不會出現平衡問題

洗衣機就是要洗東西呀,不過這抹布我有先泡過漂白水跟洗衣精了,不會太髒



測試結果也是正常

不過就像之前所說,即便是這麼一點點衣服,標準行程也是40分鐘 (目前還沒有試過其他行程)

最後洗完記得要清一下排水濾網



這是洗了三次衣服的排水濾網



最後,有了這台洗衣機,這個冬天應該可以過的很舒服了

唯一可惜的就是,原廠沒有出增高座

再往上墊高20~30cm,拿取衣服的時候就不需要彎腰了

當初曾想過要請木工做架子,或是拿空心磗墊高

不過想到空機近100KG,還是會有點擔心,最後還是直接擺在地上使用

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20160723更新

前幾天開始,運轉的時候會發出金屬磨擦聲

內心的OS:怎麼那麼快就中機王了,不會那麼倒眉吧

原本想要叫修的,但為此還要特別請一天假,有點不甘願

仔細檢查了一下,發現是一隻髮夾卡在這個位置

所以只要一運轉,髮夾就會刮到內桶而發出金屬磨擦聲



用鐵絲伸進去勾看看,順利的取下髮夾

但洞太小,是沒辦法從這邊取出的,只能期望在排水管濾網看到屍體

之後運轉了幾次,目前是還沒有排出來

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20160817更新

試了幾次烘衣功能

衣服,包含長短袖褲子等,標準模式都會乾

浴巾,跟衣服或被套一起烘,標準模式都會乾

被套或床包,都會有幾個小區域會微溼,猜測是捲(包)在最裡層,所以不易乾

因為浴巾比被套更容易吸水,可是浴巾每次都會乾

或許定時烘乾二小時,拿出來人工翻轉一下,再丟回去繼續烘乾可以解決

或是把烘乾時間再延長,不過這樣似乎有點麻煩,我是可以接受被套或床包烘乾後再晾一下

整體上還是很滿意烘乾功能,畢竟被套或床包不會天天洗


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20160921更新

終於在9月的帳單看到當初信用卡活動的刷卡金了...爽

實際拿到是1363元,還多了一塊錢呢



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20160924更新

終於在二個月後,髮夾自己出來了...


128 則留言:

  1. 呵.我買的也是這台,上方濾網也一樣乾淨,棉絮也都黏在門口的橡膠墊上,這點讓我很納悶哩.

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    1. 其實這有一個好處啦,就是下次洗衣的時候,棉絮就會被沖到排水濾網,感覺也不是壞事

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  2. 國際牌這系列真的很不錯~

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  3. 請問使用烘乾完成後,衣物是否會有塑膠味?

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    1. 您好:沒有遇到這個問題 (有香味的洗衣精應該蓋不過塑膠味吧)

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  4. 請問安裝過後的寬、深、高分別是多少?(因為家中陽台較窄)
    謝謝~

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    1. 您好:不太懂,因為洗衣機並不會因為安裝後尺寸也跟著變動,還是跟原廠規格相同,我剛才量過了,寬670×深835×高1,035(mm)。唯一要注意的是家中的門是否過的去

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  5. 您好, 提供一個經驗給您參考, 家裡的滾筒洗衣機也有買架子墊高, 但是發現可能是如果底座或架子不夠強壯 (不夠穩固), 脫水的時候很容易搖晃 (可能是因為重心變高了), 所以後來還是把架子移除

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  6. 剛好新家要買洗衣機 列入名單

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  7. 請問這台洗+乾同時設定要怎麼按?我都只能按完洗衣服標準流程,再跑去按乾衣> <

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    1. 按下電源->乾衣(這時洗+乾 及 標準會亮起)->啟動

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  8. 按過了,但洗+乾的燈沒亮,只有標準燈有亮, 啟動後還是只有烘乾> <

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  9. 不知您會不會覺得這台洗衣起毛球嚴重? 好好的衣服都毀了
    3月買到現在 夏天的衣服還好 冬天的超嚴重
    一些舊衣服以前直立洗的還不怎麼起毛球
    換這台之後 翻面洗一樣起毛球 更別說新衣服
    快瘋了

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    1. 個人覺得還好耶,純棉的T-shirt或是人造纖維的排汗衣都沒有這個問題

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  10. 請問如果放在洗衣機座台上適合嗎???

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    1. 它有對應的洗衣機座台嗎?還是你是指那種可調式的?

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  11. Hi,我也在momo買了1台國際牌NA-V178DDH-V,有參考你的開箱文,網路上找不到類似的介紹,感謝分享!
    你要不要啟動Panasonic智慧家電,看似加個智慧家電無線控制器(CZ-T004)就可以啟動。

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  12. 苗爸,想請問你這款使用起來有什麼缺點或是有洗劑殘留的問題嗎
    烘衣可以全乾嗎

    想買這款的ddh
    謝謝

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    1. 洗劑殘留我是沒有特別去測試,我現在洗劑的用量很少(約20g吧),皮膚也沒有敏感的問題。烘衣如果很多衣物的話,可能不會全乾,要烘久一點才會乾(可能要4hr)。不過我是覺得還好,因為烘衣功能主要冬季才會用到,若是要強調烘衣,應該去買專門烘衣的,也就是220v或是瓦斯的

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    2. 謝謝分享,這款是斜取設計嗎?怕斜取部分較不易乾
      至於烘乾,因空間不夠所以要買合一的
      怕此款烘衣不夠乾(爸爸不想要烘完還要掛衣服)

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    3. 是斜取沒錯,不過斜取跟烘乾會有關係嗎?這我是沒有研究,我覺得是跟熱功率有關,110v的效率比較低,所以需要比較長的時間。你可以去家樂福看實機,我這邊的家樂福一直都有在展示

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  13. 感謝分享,真是大愛,在考慮購買洗烘脫洗衣機,寫得超仔細。

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  14. 請問洗完衣服會不會打結,尤其長袖長褲?

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    1. 跟傳統直立式洗衣機相比,真的好很多,幾乎不會打結。但我沒有使用過其他品牌的滾筒,所以我也不曉得有沒有更好的

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  15. 我被日製NA-D106X1WTW的外型所吸引,所以一直糾結要買日製還是台製NA-V130DDH。不過看了你詳細的開箱文之後,覺得我好像可以考慮買台製的就好了,雖然它外形又大又不美,但可以省下快一萬元。謝謝您~

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  16. 請問您的洗衣時間有時會變長嗎?原本偵測要54分鐘,可是我,90分鐘後去晾衣,居然還要6分鐘的脫水時間耶。

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    1. 通常都蠻準的,好像沒有遇到差距那麼長的時間。你的注水與排水功能正常嗎?會不會是注水與排水時間超過預期

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  17. 請問代號後面BDH跟DDH是差異在哪裡

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    1. 支援手機 Smart App(無線控制器需另購與安裝)

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  18. 請問洗衣時,水位最高到門的哪個位置,謝謝

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    1. 沒有印象,因為平常不會累積那麼多衣物才去洗,所以也沒有遇過"+高"水位的情況

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    1. 如果是洗衣的話,是225W,溫水洗衣是1110W,乾衣是1370W。一般家中吹風機是1200~1400W,台電一度電是1000W/H。也就是說你乾衣2小時的話,大約是3度電,以方便性而言,可以接受囉

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  20. 請問烘衣需要把毛料拿起來嗎

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    1. 我前幾次使用的確會拿起來,後來就懶得直接烘了,倒也沒有很明顯的縮水

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  21. 好哦。感謝
    因為這篇我訂了
    哈哈
    很多人說烘衣會不乾
    但我看你說ok啊!一般烘都全乾是嗎

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    1. 不是烘衣不會乾,而是要花比較長的時間。很多人都會用220v電熱烘衣機或是瓦斯烘衣機來比較,這二種功率比較好,大約1~2小時就會乾了。110v的機種,不管你是純烘衣機,或是洗脫烘,2~4個小時是很正常的,因為它的功率就是比較低。如果想要減少烘衣時間,我自己會洗完晾個一天,然後再丟進去烘一小時,通常會就乾了,雖然比較麻煩,但因為沒有天天烘衣的需求,所以還好。我有算過,烘4個小時大約是6度電,假設1度是5元,大概就是30元,還好啦,還是比外面便宜

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    2. 再補充一點,材質也是烘衣時間的因素之一,毛巾浴巾最難烘乾,因為吸水率最高,人造纖維最快

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  22. 可以問一下 它的烘衣功能是幾度的 低溫烘? 或是可以選擇烘衣方式?

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    1. 烘衣有四種行程,標準/加強/低溫/定時,不過說明書上面沒有提到溫度是多少

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  23. 請問一下,這台洗衣機的4隻腳距離約多少?想要在洗衣機搬進來之前先買洗衣機專用的增高架,但不知道大小是否合適?謝謝~~~

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  24. 你好 請問一下 你在第一次烘完是否有在衣服上聞到類似塑膠的味道呢?

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    1. 您好,沒有特別注意,當然也有可能是我的洗衣精味道蓋過去了

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    2. 對了,它有一個低溫烘衣的功能,你也可以試試

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    3. 我就是用低溫洗脫烘 但是我的浴巾上都有一個味道阿 ~~
      我適用ARIEL的洗衣球 一次一顆XD 一點點熊寶貝柔軟精
      在想是不是因為新買的關係

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